User talk:TheRealLurlock/2007 03

MW Quest Entry

I'm not sure why a new Template:MW Quest Entry template is needed, when the existing Template:Quest Link already does almost the exact same thing. I just tweaked Quest Link to even make the quest= part optional (it's a change I did a while back to Template:Quest Link Short and for some reason forgot to do on the more common Quest Link template, too). So check Oblivion:Miscellaneous Quests to see the simplified version of that template in action. --Nephele 11:30, 2 March 2007 (EST)

The Quest Link template is designed for Oblivion, and you have to specify extra info to use it for other games. I wanted one that could be used for Morrowind that didn't require me having to type in "game=Morrowind" every single time. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 11:34, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Hmm... I guess I misunderstood the description there. It looked like the "game" thing would default to Oblivion if not specified. It works, I guess. It might be better to include the bullet at the beginning like mine did? (I don't think this template is ever used in-line, so it would save a step, but then every page that uses it would have to be updated, so maybe that's too much trouble.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 11:43, 2 March 2007 (EST)

If you want to add the bullet and go through and fix all the existing uses of that template, go for it! --Nephele 12:03, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Nah, adding the bullets to the MW pages was much easier, and there's also the possibility somebody might want something other than a bullet - say numbers or something. I'll leave it as is for now. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:37, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome. By the way, on Oblivion:Easter Eggs the Nirnroot is called a "Ninroot." I'd fix it myself, but it's locked. Nufy8 14:26, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Fixed. Just a note for future reference, the proper place to post comments like this is on the relevant talk-page. The active admins here all pay attention to the Recent Changes, so odds are we'll see it. (Unlike Wikipedia, where there's so many posts per second that stuff like that slips by more easily - though they make up for it with sheer numbers.) You can still contact admins for more widespread or serious stuff, of course. Or just if you want to. We're all pretty friendly here. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 14:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Edittools

I had been wondering for a while, whether the "Wiki markup" helpers could be changed - until you did it. And you even addressed the exact thing that made me want to change them in the first place. Thank you! -- JustTheBast 03:33, 8 March 2007 (EST)

They can, but only by admins. That one had been annoying me for months, so I figured I'd give my new-found powers a little test-drive. (There's a lot of stuff I can do now that I don't dare mess with, but I figured that was pretty harmless.) Glad to know I wasn't the only one who wanted that changed. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:20, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Oblivion Races

Actually, would you mind if I deleted all the singular race categories you just created for Oblivion? I was just about to implement a tweak to the NPC summary template to make it do plural categories for now, and be switchable later... but the tweak relies upon the singular categories not existing yet (the easiest way I could think of to do it is to check whether the page exists already... so the new pages have to actually be deleted until we do the switch). I agree that once most of the NPCs are changed over to use the new summary, for consistency making everything singular will be best. But with 500+ NPC pages to do, it's going to take a while, and if it's possible in the interim to still using the existing categories it seems that will make it easier for everyone. --Nephele 16:09, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Oh, I suppose. But it was the lack of these categories that was causing people not to use the new streamlined version of the template, still using the old "racecat" format. Since that would require changing all of the pages AGAIN after the new categories were created, I decided to make the new categories now to prevent confusion caused by red links. If you have another solution that works as well, feel free to do it. I was just trying to minimize the amount of work that will have to be redone in the future. Just make it clear within the template description and on the page where we talk about it that the "racecat" is ONLY to be used in special cases, like Dremora, Dwemer, Akaviri, and whatever else there may be. That way we won't have to re-fix all the templates done the old way after the fact. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 16:43, 10 March 2007 (EST)

I just tested it in reverse using Oblivion:Ashanta. It had been showing the category as Oblivion-Redguard; I deleted that category and now the page is showing Oblivion-Redguards (without the page itself being edited in the interim). In other words, if I delete the other new singular category pages, the existing pages with no |racecat= entry will automatically use the plural category pages for backwards compatibility. Once we've changed over most of the NPC pages, all we have to do is create the new singular versions of the category pages and every page will automatically move to that page instead. I definitely don't want the pages to have to be edited again in future to implement the change, but since I'd already figured out a way to do the change automatically I figured we might as well try it. So I'm going to go ahead and delete the others (for now). --Nephele 17:25, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks

Yes, it appears we are. Anyway, thank you for the welcome. Michael 23:35, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks, TheRealLurlock. I think I had read the name written somewhere incorrectly, and that stuck. Michael 23:43, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Lusty Argonian Maid

Hey, sorry to bother you with this. Just a quick question since you know Morrowind. I had the disctinct impression in my mind Crassius Curio's spear-shining play had a quest involved with it - finding actors for it or sth, but I am unable to find it. Do I misremember? Please help. --FMan | Talk (contribs) 07:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

The quest you thinking of is with the actor in the foreign quarter lower waistworks--Zoidberg 08:04, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Right. I remember that now... Thanks! --FMan | Talk (contribs) 08:05, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Pictures

So do we just want pictures of people, in that case? Michael 00:34, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for your response, TheRealLurlock. Michael 00:50, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Morrowind ingredient lists

I've found two on external sites - here and here - since the data is all compiled from stuff copyrighted by Bethesda (same as the ingredients and alchemy effect lists), could either of these (they're the same) be copied here directly? Alphax 21:33, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I think so long as you made enough changes in the formatting that it wasn't obviously from the same site (which wouldn't be hard since this is a wiki and those aren't), you'd be good. As you say, the data can easily be found just by looking through the CS yourself, and it's not like you're taking an actual article, just a list. I'm not the legalese-guy, though. Some people might think differently. Might want to post this question on the Community Portal. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:14, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

NPCs vs People

I noticed that you have recently changed the heading NPCs to People on some daedric shrine pages. We have been using NPCs in all Places pages; why have you changed this now? --DrPhoton 08:25, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Mainly for consistancy with the Oblivion pages. I'm reworking a lot of these things, and part of it is making it so that the templates made for NPC descriptions works for Morrowind as well as it has for Oblivion. I'm also planning to change the category for NPC pages from Morrowind-People to Morrowind-NPCs, and using the Morrowind-People category for more general pages listing NPCs in given locations, such as Morrowind:Cave People, etc. Anyhow, I'm planning to redo all the Places pages with the new templates I'm making, such as you see on the new Daedric Shrine pages I've done. As for why I chose "People" instead of "NPCs", it's just that I always found the term "NPC" to be a bit informal and de-humanizing. Since I'm changing all the Places pages anyhow, I figured I'd do that while I was at it. I'm not really a fan of TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) in general, as they can potentially make things more confusing for people who aren't familiar with them. (Also, the first several I did had no People or NPCs sections on them, and once I got started, I just kind of went with what I began with.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:40, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

You know what, I changed my mind. I may not like calling people NPCs, but looking over the site it seems we use that more often, so I'll stick with it. I changed the Daedric shrine pages back. (Mainly because I moved the template, but I figured I'd just do both and save a hassle. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:27, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

We still have a lot of pages with "People" instead of "NPCs", so now that you're at it, why not changing the rest to NPCs? I'll give you a hand, but I'm much slower than you at editing en masse.

Race categories

Will do. By the way, I'm sure I've made some mistakes with race as far as humans go, so those probably need to be double-checked. Nufy8 14:08, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Shivering Isles book pages/URLs

Thanks for clearing up the bit earlier with inserting titles and descriptions correctly (works similar to the Daedra description pages, but just dissimilar enough...) I noticed that the entries for Sixteen Accords of Madness from Tamriel:Books link to a different page than the Shivering:Books page. A couple entries for comparison:

• Works: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Books/16_Accords_of_Madness%2C_v._IX
• Doesn't: http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Tamriel:Books/Sixteen_Accords_of_Madness%2C_v._IX

I believe that these pages should be moved over to the long-title version (Sixteen Accords of Madness, the second link), because replacing the long version with "16" is not faithful to the source. The short-form version would be replaced by a redirect to the correct page, in my belief.

Furthermore, three books are listed in the Shivering:Books entry, but the Tamriel:Books entry has sixteen, and I don't think these additional books exist. You have been on both pages quite a bit, so I would like your input on this. --Edwin Herdman 21:02, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Take a look at other multi-volume books, such as The 36 Lessons of Vivec to see how those are set up. We've been using one master page which transcludes each of the volumes as its own separate page. Author and Description subpages are only needed on the master page. The Shivering:Books page should ultimately only list one book for this, the master volume. Anyhow, if you get all the text in, I can set that up for you. (I don't actually have Shivering Isles yet, so I can only organize everybody, I can't input any actual information yet because I don't have any.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 22:13, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Alright, I see that part. I still don't like the title, though - the books are called "Sixteen Accords of Madness," that's the literal title. With the 36 Sermons, they used a number in the title so it's appropriate to use it. --Edwin Herdman 23:36, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Ah, okay. Easy enough to change. As I said, I don't know because I haven't bought the expansion yet. I just depend on what I see from other people. I'll fix it now. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 23:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

That should do it! Thanks for all the help. --Edwin Herdman 00:29, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Hmm...another issue cropped up. The author isn't showing up on The Standing Stones, even though I did it just the same way as in the other articles (per your advice earlier). I have no clue what's going on. While we're here, I might as well also ask about starting a book with a [br] tag - some use it, some don't. Any preferred style for that? --Edwin Herdman 04:13, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Fixed. Just needed a purge. For future reference, in order to do a page-purge if this happens again, click on the "edit" tab on the top, and then in the URL in your browser, where it says "edit" at the end, replace "edit" with "purge" and hit Enter. This will recreate the page, and generally fixes most lazy-transclusion issues like this. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 08:15, 30 March 2007 (EDT)