Online talk:Crowns

Disambig

The Crown faction is barely present in ESO. This page should at least serve as a disambig, since the currency is a far more important topic even if it's only a redirect to ON:Crown Store. —Legoless (talk) 00:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

If the crown currency was more than a redirect there might be something to that, but as it is nothing more than a pointer to another page there is no reason to have a disambig rather than just use the hatnote. The same principle applies anyway, someone going to the Crowns page will still have to click again to load another page, whether this page is about the faction or a disambig is irrelevant to that issue. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:55, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively we could reverse the priority. Move the faction to Crowns (faction), restore the redirect here, and stick the hatnote on Crown Store. --Enodoc (talk) 07:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

A hatnote for a redirect is unworkable, not to mention the wording required would mean either adding a whole new section to the template or manually writing one. A redirect has no priority level when considering disambigs (that is the topic of a redirect is irrelevant). Only when more than one full page conflicts with another full page is there a need to consider disambiguation. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Not true, the required hatnote would look like this (yes, it's manual, but it's also simple):

Crowns redirects here. For the Redguard political faction, see Crowns (faction).

and as Legoless said, the priority of Crowns as a currency vastly supersedes the priority of Crowns as a faction. The fact that Crowns as a currency is a redirect to another page is incidental in the priority.

Take a usage example: a user is looking for Crowns, the currency. They've never heard of the Crowns faction. Under the current situation, they search "Crowns" and end up either on a disambig or a completely useless (to them) faction page, and have to click again to get to the currency. Conversely, with the redirect going directly from Crowns, they end up exactly where they want to be. Someone specifically searching for the Crowns faction is much less likely, so they should be treated with a lower priority. (They would also be annoyed if they started looking on Factions, since for some reason they're not in the list.) --Enodoc (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Putting a hatnote on a page that doesn't share any crossover with the alternate page is what's unworkable, not the wording, and the redirect should probably point to the crown specific section. I don't dispute that the currency is of greater significance to the game, but I would dispute that it is a vastly superior searched for page. That said and as I've said before, a redirect has no significance or value when determining whether a disambiguation is warranted. I would also point out that (half) occupation of a city is not 'barely present', especially when dealing with them is part of the main quest in the Covenant. All said I fail to see how having the hatnote here is so controversial, when the only real alternative is making a disambiguation page which would do nothing more than expand the current hatnote into a full page of its own.

On the factions page, with over 150, and by my reckoning there will be nearly 200 in the end, I think listing them all on the one page is unfeasible. I think they need split by letter. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

(←) I'm not gonna take a stance about this page specifically, but I agree that the factions should be split up by letter, as we did in previous games. Jeancey (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2016 (UTC)