Online talk:Buraniim Isle

Ayleid Ruin

Going to snip this one in the bud since I see a few people stating that this ruin is Ayleid. I have reverted to edit to the page which stated this.

The basis for this assertion seems to stem from the fact that Buraniim contains Welkynd stones rather than Culanda and is apparently still referred to as Ayleid in dialogue in the current patch: "It's an old Ayleid ruin. A tower on an island off the coast of Skywatch. Go, seek Merric there. Aelif will find our heroic Guildmaster and get additional blades."

To be clear: there are no Ayleid ruins on Auridon, as the Ayleids never had a presence in the Summerset Isles. At launch, the ruins on Auridon were incorrectly labelled as Ayleid in several lines of dialogue as well as the Auridon Explored book series. This was changed after players pointed out this massive retcon which claimed that the Altmer of Auridon actually descended from Ayleid refugees. There was a significant cleanup effort involved in patching out all references to Ayleids on Auridon, including the "Ayleid Well" on Buraniiim Isle being changed to an "Aetherial Well".

Don't just take my word for it—the developers themselves have admitted that this was a slip-up. See Schick's interview from after he left ZOS:

"Listen, when ESO launched in 2014 it was a gigantic game, with content areas set in nearly every region of Tamriel, and most of that had been built in just the previous 24 months by five content teams working simultaneously at a breakneck pace. By the time the game launched, everything had been reviewed by somebody, but no one person had reviewed everything—I was probably as close to that ideal as anyone, but still there were a number of quests I simply hadn’t had time to play through before they went live. (Keep in mind that I was simultaneously working on future content and was already deep into Craglorn and Orsinium.) So a few things slipped through, like the ruins in Auridon that were attributed to Ayleids where they should have been Ancient Aldmeri. Fortunately, most of these mistakes were just slipups in terminology, and because ESO is a live game we were able to change them later."

The fact that a stray line of dialogue has survived this purge is not evidence that this ruin is Ayleid; it is a mistake. In my opinion, the correct thing to do is to report it in-game using /feedback rather than adding information to this page which we know to be incorrect. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

While I agree we probably shouldn't consider any of the ruins Ayleid in lorespace, this is onlinespace, a place meant to reflect the game. Currently in the game, there is no reason to assume its anything other than Ayleid, especially with it having remained unchanged over the past 6 years. Auridon, at launch, was also already able to make the Aldmeri ruins distinct from Ayleid ruins by use of Culanda stones in those ruins. While occasionally, these aldmeri ruins were accidentally referred to as ayleid, every instance of that has been fixed at this point. Buraniim, meanwhile, not only has extant dialogue referring to it as Ayleid, but is very obviously and different from every Aldmer ruin in Auridon.

In every imaginable way, the ruin is ayleid. There's nothing in or out of game that suggests its not ayleid, as stupid as it is. While I agree we shouldn't list it as such in lorespace, it's unambiguously presented as Ayleid in game at the moment, and Gamespace should probably reflect that until the developers finally fix it. We wouldn't change Medora's daggerfall page to list her as Altmer, and I don't see why this is any different.Jacksol (talk) 21:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

You say that there is "no reason to assume it's anything other than Ayleid". There is a very good reason to, which I mentioned above: the same patch that removed those other Ayleid references also removed the Ayleid Well at Buraniim. It is clearly within the scope of those changes, which should make it obvious that (and this bears repeating) there are no Ayleid ruins on Auridon. The dialogue and Welkynd stones are certainly notable, but this should be phrased in such a way as to make it clear that this is incorrect per the other changes to Auridon and Auridon Explored. ONspace is not immune to developer oversight. —⁠Legoless (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2020 (UTC)